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Hubris?

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 1:27 pm
by Levon
In the top of the 1st, the UT 3rd base coach had a runner tag up for home on a very short, very high fly to LF; easily gunned down at home, not even close enough for a slide. The Stanford pitcher is coming off his 156 pitch game in the Supers and his pitches did not have much movement in the 1st; UT hitting him. Really bad decision to send the runner into an inning-ending 7-2 DP. Stanford now up on Dollander 2-0, still hitting in bottom of 1st.

Re: Hubris?

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:10 pm
by cjdore
Up 4-0 now top of 4th.

Re: Hubris?

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:13 pm
by Levon
Dollander isn't very sharp today, and since the 1st, UT hitters look a bit befuddled by scrawny (but very good) Stanford pitcher.

Re: Hubris?

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:26 pm
by MrMemorial
Zoolander left down 4-0 after three. If Stanford finishes the deal he will finish the season a pedestrian 7-7 for the season.

Re: Hubris?

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:29 pm
by Levon
MrMemorial wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:26 pm Zoolander left down 4-0 after three. If Stanford finishes the deal he will finish the season a pedestrian 7-7 for the season.
"Zoolander" :lol:

Re: Hubris?

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:49 pm
by Levon
Levon wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:13 pm Dollander isn't very sharp today, and since the 1st, UT hitters look a bit befuddled by scrawny (but very good) Stanford pitcher.
Vols have figured the skinny guy out. Bunch of singles, a walk and a sac fly have chased him with 2 outs and the bases loaded in top 5th, tied 4-4. Yikes!

Re: Hubris?

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:48 pm
by Doubledore
Levon wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:49 pm
Levon wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:13 pm Dollander isn't very sharp today, and since the 1st, UT hitters look a bit befuddled by scrawny (but very good) Stanford pitcher.
Vols have figured the skinny guy out. Bunch of singles, a walk and a sac fly have chased him with 2 outs and the bases loaded in top 5th, tied 4-4. Yikes!
Stanford coach made a Corbs like decision to leave his pitcher in way too long - now they will lose for sure.

Re: Hubris?

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 4:16 pm
by vutrain
Doubledore wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:48 pm
Levon wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:49 pm
Levon wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:13 pm Dollander isn't very sharp today, and since the 1st, UT hitters look a bit befuddled by scrawny (but very good) Stanford pitcher.
Vols have figured the skinny guy out. Bunch of singles, a walk and a sac fly have chased him with 2 outs and the bases loaded in top 5th, tied 4-4. Yikes!
Stanford coach made a Corbs like decision to leave his pitcher in way too long - now they will lose for sure.
Well Crap.

Re: Hubris?

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 4:31 pm
by MrMemorial
Doubledore wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:48 pm
Levon wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:49 pm
Levon wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:13 pm Dollander isn't very sharp today, and since the 1st, UT hitters look a bit befuddled by scrawny (but very good) Stanford pitcher.
Vols have figured the skinny guy out. Bunch of singles, a walk and a sac fly have chased him with 2 outs and the bases loaded in top 5th, tied 4-4. Yikes!
Stanford coach made a Corbs like decision to leave his pitcher in way too long - now they will lose for sure.
They had a guy in the bullpen ready when the score was 4-1. The Stanford coach much have gotten up on the wrong side of the bed to leave the pitcher in that long when he was fading out. Not sure what point he was trying to make.

Re: Hubris?

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 5:15 pm
by Levon
MrMemorial wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 4:31 pm
Doubledore wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 3:48 pm
Levon wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 2:49 pm

Vols have figured the skinny guy out. Bunch of singles, a walk and a sac fly have chased him with 2 outs and the bases loaded in top 5th, tied 4-4. Yikes!
Stanford coach made a Corbs like decision to leave his pitcher in way too long - now they will lose for sure.
They had a guy in the bullpen ready when the score was 4-1. The Stanford coach much have gotten up on the wrong side of the bed to leave the pitcher in that long when he was fading out. Not sure what point he was trying to make.
The starter had clearly lost it in the 5th, and to UT's credit by that point, they just hit the pitches thrown but didn't try to kill them. Stanford skipper must've had visions of another 156 pitch masterpiece to save his staff for the run thru the loser bracket. Poor decision making on his part.

Tenn advances, but their three best pitchers are done for this week. If they manage to beat LSU and/or Wake three times in the next 3 days with depleted pitching, then you gotta tip the cap to 'em.

Re: Strikeout to end Top 5

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2023 6:02 pm
by Versus75
I certainly was not rooting for Tennessee and was glad to see the play called as it was ... however, I didn't understand why Denton could not run to first base.

TWO OUTS, Bases loaded. Denton swings and misses, the ball gets away from the catcher, and a runner from third crosses the plate.

Doesn't the defense have to make a play? Tag the runner or tag the batter or throw to first base for the out?

My understanding is that the batter is automatically out only if there is a runner on first base with less than two out (rationale is much like the Infield Fly Rule in which defense could drop the ball on purpose and start a double play).

And if the runner touches home plate before a play is made at first base is that considered a force-out in which the run doesn't count?

In this case, the umpire called the batter out and there was no play. The ball was definitely not held by the catcher.