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Post by dcdore » Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:09 am

From Chris Lee via Twitter:
Vanderbilt has had multiple new positive COVID-19 tests today and therefore has canceled football practice on Friday.

Also:
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Post by MurofVandy » Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:31 am

Football during a worldwide viral pandemic?

What ever in the world could go wrong??
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Post by 4timenatlchamps » Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:52 am

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Post by docdore » Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:14 am

seriously, aren't the vanderbilt university powers that be wiser than to proceed with this ridiculous 2020 football scenario? is this possibly the inflection point that leads vu and the sec to an agreement that their priorities are too divergent to continue into the future together?
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Post by Good2BGold » Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:24 am

docdore wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:14 am
seriously, aren't the vanderbilt university powers that be wiser than to proceed with this ridiculous 2020 football scenario? is this possibly the inflection point that leads vu and the sec to an agreement that their priorities are too divergent to continue into the future together?
Are the priorities of VU and the SEC "too divergent"? Can you be more specific? I don't see this as something unique to VU's football team. The pandemic is not limited to West End Avenue. Covid-19 is in Knoxville and Tuscaloosa and Athens and Gainesville, etc. This is going to be happening with all the SEC football teams — and in fact already has at Alabama and LSU earlier in the summer. When this happens at more and more schools as practices progress, all three of the Power 5 conferences planning to play this fall will have to reconsider those plans. I think what's going on right now on the practice fields in those three conferences is an attempt to find out if they can possibly play the season. The news that Vandy players have tested positive after a week of practice is not a good sign for the prospects of anyone playing.
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Post by MurofVandy » Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:44 am

docdore wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:14 am
seriously, aren't the vanderbilt university powers that be wiser than to proceed with this ridiculous 2020 football scenario? is this possibly the inflection point that leads vu and the sec to an agreement that their priorities are too divergent to continue into the future together?
Yes. I think there is a thread about the potential of a difference conference.

Up until this pandemic split in the p5 ranks, I would have automatically rejected the idea of leaving the SEC. Now I support it totally. (and would no longer consider the ACC... that leaves one potential option)
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Post by VUtiful » Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:22 am

docdore wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:14 am
seriously, aren't the vanderbilt university powers that be wiser than to proceed with this ridiculous 2020 football scenario? is this possibly the inflection point that leads vu and the sec to an agreement that their priorities are too divergent to continue into the future together?
I know that not everyone agrees on the risks (and optics) of playing this football season given the state of the pandemic in the country.

But each day I grow more displeased as we continue on this path without any authoritative VU voices (AD, Chancellor, Board, Medical School, Faculty) publicly saying that we need to put a stop to this - financial/etc. consequences be damned. It really makes me feel sick. Surely many of those people feel as I do about this. At some point you have to stand up and say something. Maybe I'm thinking of it in too simplistic terms, but are they all cowards or do they just love that sweet SEC cash too much or what? Of all schools, for Vanderbilt to be going down this road of at least seeming to have the tail wag the dog is deeply damaging to the brand name. Same goes for Duke, but I'm not a Duke alum so I'm not invested like I am for Vanderbilt. The Ivies said "no way" to fall sports ages ago, the BIG and PAC now as well, but we're following the Alabamas and Clemsons?

Kevin Warren, the BIG commissioner, may not be a popular guy right now with coaches and players. But he showed leadership in his response to the massive wave of post-decision criticism. Good for the BIG and PAC school presidents/chancellors for making the decision the way they did.

I'm with docdore - if the SEC is unwavering in going forward despite what is sure to come, I simply don't want to be part of that for this season, and if that severed our SEC membership going forward then too bad. I'm grimly curious of just what it would take for other members of the SEC to pull the plug on this. It would be really sad, because it would be the end of a lot of tradition and history, but if you realize that you're in a toxic relationship then it is past time to break up.

For those that disagree with me or think I'm overreacting... I am sure you've felt this way about something in your life before. So at least sympathize with that.
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Post by egbertsouse » Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:52 am

The SEC's head in the sand approach to covid-19 together with the apparent shenanigans regarding the new 10 in conference game schedule have left me in a state where I am not at all looking forward to the upcoming season.
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Post by MurofVandy » Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:52 am

Two of the highest rated basketball recruits we offered (Collins and Graham) just committed to Big Ten schools. {Michigan and Maryland}

Did we automatically get them by being in the SEC? No.

It's time for a change and a fresh new start.
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Post by 4timenatlchamps » Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:21 pm

MurofVandy wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:52 am
Two of the highest rated basketball recruits we offered (Collins and Graham) just committed to Big Ten schools. {Michigan and Maryland}

Did we automatically get them by being in the SEC? No.

It's time for a change and a fresh new start.
I'm all for us joining the B1G given where I live and just how much I loathe the SEC in general but is this type of thing being discussed anywhere at all outside of this message board right now? Seems like it was just mentioned offhand in a thread and now we're making it a thing.
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Post by admin » Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:42 pm

I'm sure no one on the team is in intensive care with Covid-19. We shouldn't chastize the SEC for trying to play football. They've said all along that they will be reevaluating things in the best interest of safety.
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Post by MurofVandy » Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:52 pm

4timenatlchamps wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:21 pm
MurofVandy wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:52 am
Two of the highest rated basketball recruits we offered (Collins and Graham) just committed to Big Ten schools. {Michigan and Maryland}

Did we automatically get them by being in the SEC? No.

It's time for a change and a fresh new start.
I'm all for us joining the B1G given where I live and just how much I loathe the SEC in general but is this type of thing being discussed anywhere at all outside of this message board right now? Seems like it was just mentioned offhand in a thread and now we're making it a thing.
Vandy to the Big Ten has been talked about in the sports world off and on for ten years:
https://www.google.com/search?q=vanderb ... e&ie=UTF-8

p.s. - if anybody thinks the $EC gives half-a-feces about the safety of student athletes, they also have some swamp land just outside Baton Rouge they want to sell you.
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Post by docdore » Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:59 pm

Are the priorities of VU and the SEC "too divergent"? Can you be more specific?

vutiful has answered well for me and i appreciate that. the "football come hell or high water" approach, highly consistent with sec culture, just doesn't fit with what i would like to think is a wise/reasoned vu one in the midst of this pandemic. we used to call ourselves "the harvard of the south", but that doesn't seem to fit so well now in some ways. if the $$$ weren't so huge, the dilemma wouldn't be so challenging of course.
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Post by egbertsouse » Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:02 pm

admin wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:42 pm
I'm sure no one on the team is in intensive care with Covid-19. We shouldn't chastize the SEC for trying to play football. They've said all along that they will be reevaluating things in the best interest of safety.
I've heard a lot of people chastising the Big 10 and Pac 12 for deciding not to play. Time will tell how much of their seasons the SEC/ACC/Big 12 get to play.
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Post by admin » Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:11 pm

egbertsouse wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:02 pm
admin wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 12:42 pm
I'm sure no one on the team is in intensive care with Covid-19. We shouldn't chastize the SEC for trying to play football. They've said all along that they will be reevaluating things in the best interest of safety.
I've heard a lot of people chastising the Big 10 and Pac 12 for deciding not to play. Time will tell how much of their seasons the SEC/ACC/Big 12 get to play.
If they get in one game at least they got 1 game in. Keep in mind that these kids would probably be more likely to get COVID0-19 not playing football. Why? Because the are young men and they will not sit in their rooms all the time. They want to get out and have fun and mingle with the opposite sex. They are getting tested 3 times a week as football players. As regular students they wouldn't be tested near as often but don't think for a second that they are all safe from this virus not playing football. Millions have already had COVID-19 and don't even know it.
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Post by Good2BGold » Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:43 pm

MurofVandy wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:52 am
Two of the highest rated basketball recruits we offered (Collins and Graham) just committed to Big Ten schools. {Michigan and Maryland}

Did we automatically get them by being in the SEC? No.

It's time for a change and a fresh new start.
What it is time for is for you to give the VU to the Big 10 nonsense a rest.
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Post by Good2BGold » Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:46 pm

MurofVandy wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:44 am
docdore wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:14 am
seriously, aren't the vanderbilt university powers that be wiser than to proceed with this ridiculous 2020 football scenario? is this possibly the inflection point that leads vu and the sec to an agreement that their priorities are too divergent to continue into the future together?
Yes. I think there is a thread about the potential of a difference conference.

Up until this pandemic split in the p5 ranks, I would have automatically rejected the idea of leaving the SEC. Now I support it totally. (and would no longer consider the ACC... that leaves one potential option)
Hahahahahaha! You only think "there is a thread about the potential of a difference conference"? Dude, it's your freaking thread. Are you trying to be disingenuous or do you really not remember that it was your thread?
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Post by jpmando » Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:38 pm

VU should utilize their expert infectious disease specialists' opinions, as one of the leading medical centers in the country.

I believe it is long past time for them to call their own emergency meeting ,invite the athletic directors of the member schools. Take the lead in the decisions that impact thousands of lives-many more if one includes fans
in attendance at games.

Then make the wisest, most informed decisions, based on current knowledge from the medical experts. If the decision to cancel all fall sports is as obvious as we think, then have the guts to do the right thing.

Vanderbilt University needs to talk the talk, then walk the walk. Our students, campus staff, and student athletes are entitled to nothing less. Leadership often leads to difficult decisions. I would love for someone
at VU to accept their obvious role in this.
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Post by docdore » Fri Aug 21, 2020 3:31 pm

jpmando wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 2:38 pm
VU should utilize their expert infectious disease specialists' opinions, as one of the leading medical centers in the country.

I believe it is long past time for them to call their own emergency meeting ,invite the athletic directors of the member schools. Take the lead in the decisions that impact thousands of lives-many more if one includes fans
in attendance at games.

Then make the wisest, most informed decisions, based on current knowledge from the medical experts. If the decision to cancel all fall sports is as obvious as we think, then have the guts to do the right thing.

Vanderbilt University needs to talk the talk, then walk the walk. Our students, campus staff, and student athletes are entitled to nothing less. Leadership often leads to difficult decisions. I would love for someone
at VU to accept their obvious role in this.
it's an early test indeed for vu's new chancellor.....maybe he'll rise to the occasion??
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Post by alathIN » Fri Aug 21, 2020 4:17 pm

Good2BGold wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 10:24 am
docdore wrote:
Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:14 am
seriously, aren't the vanderbilt university powers that be wiser than to proceed with this ridiculous 2020 football scenario? is this possibly the inflection point that leads vu and the sec to an agreement that their priorities are too divergent to continue into the future together?
Are the priorities of VU and the SEC "too divergent"? Can you be more specific? I don't see this as something unique to VU's football team. The pandemic is not limited to West End Avenue. Covid-19 is in Knoxville and Tuscaloosa and Athens and Gainesville, etc.
To some extent, yes, Vanderbilt is the same as other SEC teams - beholden to the big SEC football check every year. And I don't VU is somehow saintly of "above" prioritizing finances.
But VU is different, too. We're not cramming a 100k stadium every Saturday. Football is not a huge part of the university's revenue or identity.

I do think VU might be a bit more sensitive to the optics of throwing student-athletes out on the field in the middle of a pandemic.
Alabama, UGA, etc., make very little pretense of being in the amateur or scholastic football world. These are for all intents and purposes professional teams, and their fans/alumni/faculty expect that. I think they'd have more stomach (as well as more depth) for playing a season where at any given time you might have 20-30 players on the "covid list."

If it's becoming a glaringly obvious fiasco, then they'll probably all abandon the season.
If it limps along without too much trouble they'll probably all play (this is looking less and less likely).

Where I think there could be a divergence is if it's one of these middle-ground scenarios where the Bama fans say they've still got 51 players who haven't tested positive yet, that's plenty to go ahead and play, what's the problem are you scared of little germs that are really just a media hoax anyway? Heck, we've only got one player had to be in the ICU, and the other guy who had a stroke two weeks after recovering probably would have had a stroke anyway, and besides he's not that good a player.
The Vanderbilt institutional culture might be a little less eager to go there.
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