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Nashmann wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 5:49 pm
AuricGoldfinger wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 4:55 pm I'm sure there's some legitimate reason for it, but why can't the portal not open until the day after the national championship game?
You took the words right out of my mouth. The sensible thing to do!!
Exactly why the NCAA didn't do it .


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LawoftheWest wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 10:40 pm
However, the overall conclusion was that Stute was not happy with his role under Stack.
That's such a catch all phrase.

When push comes to shove, Stute wasn't playing well, was seeing his playing time go down, and with the emergence of Smith, the potential development of Dia, plus looking for rom to play next years frosh, it doesn't take a genius to look into that crystal ball and sit it being tough to get that playing time back here.

Unfortunate for him. Hope he does well somewhere else. Hope our replacements for him outplay him.
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LawoftheWest wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 10:40 pm During today's win over Michigan one of the announcers said that Stute is leaving because he felt that Stack did not use him properly. I don't know what Stute expected, as he is a spot up shooter whose shots stopped falling. He does not drive well or handle the ball well. He does have other good qualities, but can be defended.

Today's announcer added some additional comments which I did not catch, as to why Stute entered the portal. Can anyone elaborate on what the announcer said?

However, the overall conclusion was that Stute was not happy with his role under Stack.
How should CJS have used him ? He was slotted to be a shooter yet in SEC he was .308 overall (lower than anyone on the team except Dia) and .311 from 3. They got him open looks and he just wasn't connecting so it wasn't playing the odds to set him up for the critical need shot. I thought he played decent defense and rebounded reasonably, but the team needed his offense which was one dimensional and poor this season.

I am surprised at interest from certain teams but hope he has a good future.
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Nothing against Stute, who always played hard, but I would be stunned if he ended up at Arkansas, Miami, aTm, NC State, etc. He wouldn't sniff playing time at any of those schools, and I doubt they would actually offer anyhow.

But best of luck to him, hope he does well.
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mathguy wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:00 pm Hope our replacements for him outplay him.
Would that be Colin Smith who hit 43% from three yesterday with no turnovers or personal fouls?
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dallasdore wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:14 pm Nothing against Stute, who always played hard, but I would be stunned if he ended up at Arkansas, Miami, aTm, NC State, etc. He wouldn't sniff playing time at any of those schools, and I doubt they would actually offer anyhow.

But best of luck to him, hope he does well.
A lot schools would take him for what he is. But if he wants an offense to run through him it will have to be somewhere much smaller.
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Have no use for him, he quits the team at the wrong time don't understand what he is doing quiting now, I say good riddance.
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Transfer Portal is the worst thing to happen to college sports.
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MrMemorial wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:30 pm
mathguy wrote: Sun Mar 19, 2023 12:00 pm Hope our replacements for him outplay him.
Would that be Colin Smith who hit 43% from three yesterday with no turnovers or personal fouls?
Losing Stute would hurt more if Smith weren't already outplaying him and been soaking up his minutes before the announcement. The timing does seem to indicate that Stute saw the writing on the wall and Smith is now playing like a sophomore who seems to be as accurate from three while possessing a more rounded offensive repertoire.

Stute does some good things, but too much of his offensive value is in his ability to shoot the three, and when that abandoned him late in the season, he was actively hurting us on offense, which is why CJS had to pull him from the starting lineup in favor of a freshman who has started to figure things out and in a lot of ways is already more difficult to guard.
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From Stack's comments, which were very respectful and appreciative, it sounds like Myles and his family wanted a bigger role for Myles, and Stack had to tell them that it just wasn't going to happen. I still hate that Myles left before the NIT, but I guess the whole portal timing thing....
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There’s a definite role for 3 and D players in the NBA especially with Stute’s size. The likelihood of becoming “the guy” for an NBA team is almost something you’re born with. You know in high school who is going to be a star. And the star players stay the star for 15 years. There’s barely any turnover in the NBA. Stack was carving out a niche for Stute to get to the NBA. Aaron Nesmith is extremely more talented than Stute and it still has taken him a few years to carve out a role for an NBA team. Nesmith wasn’t going to see the floor in Boston behind Tatum and Brown.
There’s a chance that Stute has the greatest progression in history and becomes the guy in one season and then takes over an NBA team.
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Foreverhopeful wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 8:17 am From Stack's comments, which were very respectful and appreciative, it sounds like Myles and his family wanted a bigger role for Myles, and Stack had to tell them that it just wasn't going to happen. I still hate that Myles left before the NIT, but I guess the whole portal timing thing....
I guess I would wonder how he imagines getting a larger role in the offense would look like? For the season this is his shot distribution: 3 pt shots - 205 (6 per game), 2 pt shots - 63 (1.85/gm), FTA - 36 (1.06/gm). From the shot distribution numbers I see a player who is a three point specialist who is already throwing up 6 3 pt attempts per game. For comparison, Shan Foster as a senior took 8.4 3 pt attempts per game while hitting 47% of those attempts in an SEC-POTY season. John Jenkins attempted 8.7 3 pt shots/gm as a junior while hitting 44% of those attempts as a 3rd team all-american. Clearly Stute would only be able to get a couple extra three point attempts at most so he was pretty close to his ceiling as a three point shooter.

So to expand his offensive game he would need to be able to score more inside the arc. How did he so in his limited attempts, which should be the best attempts he could get since he was very selective about taking them? Stute shot 30.2% on his attempts inside the arc, which was dead last of rotation players and ahead of only Malik Dia among players who took more than 1 shot. That he was worse inside the arc than Trey Thomas, who has the disadvantage of being barely 6' tall while lacking athleticism, quickness or ballhandling skills is very difficult to understand.

So how difficult was Stute to defend? One metric is FTA, as players who cause a lot of stress on the defense tend to get fouled a lot - this is true of Robbins, Pippen, Jeff Taylor and Saben Lee among others. Again Stute was behind only Thomas among rotation players in FT rate, meaning that teams rarely needed to foul Stute to defend him, which matches with observations of three point specialists.

Does Stute create offense for others and how is his ballhandling? Stute's Assist rate was last among rotation players again - when he got the ball he either shot it or moved it to the next player but did not exhibit the ability to get the ball to teammates in a position to score easy baskets. Stute's TO rate was 2nd worse among rotation players, behind only Jordan Wright, who possessed the ball far more often and acted as a secondary playmaker behind Manjon this season. And the difference was very small - the rate was definitely high for a player whose only responsibility on offense was essentially to take spot up threes.

I don't want to take away from Stute's defense and rebounding, which was pretty good, though not great. But the idea that he wanted to have a bigger role seems far fetched, given that he wasn't thriving in the role he was given. It is difficult to see Stute being a featured player on a high major team with NCAA tournament aspirations. He has displayed one strong skill, shooting from deep, and that is it. He has not displayed the ability to score inside, drive the ball, handle the ball, create for others, or get to the line. Through the month of January prior to the winning streak, he had started every game but one and played over 20 minutes every game except for the 19 minutes at Mizzou, a game where he had 2 points and three turnovers. He had more games where he had played 30 or more minutes than games where he had played 25 or fewer minutes.

I don't know if it is a coincidence or not, but during our streak that started with the Ole Miss game, Stute only played more than 25 minutes 4 times, and started only 5 times. During the streak where we are currently 12-2, we have gotten 3 or fewer points from Stute 8 times, going 6-2 in those games. One cannot say that his reduction in role is why we are winning now, but it is fair to say that he was not the major contributor to the winning streak.
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Obvious wrote: Wed Mar 22, 2023 8:31 am There’s a definite role for 3 and D players in the NBA especially with Stute’s size. The likelihood of becoming “the guy” for an NBA team is almost something you’re born with. You know in high school who is going to be a star. And the star players stay the star for 15 years. There’s barely any turnover in the NBA. Stack was carving out a niche for Stute to get to the NBA. Aaron Nesmith is extremely more talented than Stute and it still has taken him a few years to carve out a role for an NBA team. Nesmith wasn’t going to see the floor in Boston behind Tatum and Brown.
There’s a chance that Stute has the greatest progression in history and becomes the guy in one season and then takes over an NBA team.
I am 90% certain that Stute will not be an NBA player. Maybe Summer League...maybe G-League.

His ink is very NBA though. Very authentic.
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