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The NBA, one-on-one ,look at me! bs that passes for the modern game of basketball is what has turned me away from Vandy BB. What we see now is really disappointing. Rare passing, no offensive sets, stunning lack of defense. Awful.

And the current coach really was unprepared (or unwilling) to deal with us lifelong Vandy fans in a respectful way. Or was just too arrogant to. Either way, I just don't care much about it any more. What this program has become plus poor results for years- well it is a shame.


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jpmando wrote: Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:10 pm The NBA, one-on-one ,look at me! bs that passes for the modern game of basketball is what has turned me away from Vandy BB. What we see now is really disappointing. Rare passing, no offensive sets, stunning lack of defense. Awful.

And the current coach really was unprepared (or unwilling) to deal with us lifelong Vandy fans in a respectful way. Or was just too arrogant to. Either way, I just don't care much about it any more. What this program has become plus poor results for years- well it is a shame.
It’s very obvious that you haven’t watched the games at all this season because your post about how this team plays couldn’t be further from the truth.

As far as the changes to the modern game, as the old saying goes, “Don’t hate the player, hate the game…”
Everything evolves. You adapt or you fail. This team is beginning to adapt, which you would know if you watched the games, and that is thanks to solid coaching. They are running great sets this year with lots of motion and screens. QMB gets a bad wrap from many on this board because he doesn’t play like a more traditional post-up “big man.” But he is facilitating the offense quite well with his off ball movement. And he’s just one of many players who are playing very unselfish basketball if you really watch the game with the big picture in mind.

As for your remarks on the coach calling out fair weather fans, which were mostly taken out of context and much ado about nothing…well… I could interpret those a lot of different ways. Suffice it to say that I’m sure you’ve had plenty of off days where you made a remark in haste when you were feeling frustrated and you later regretted it. The fact that you’re still holding a grudge about that says more about you than it does about Stackhouse in my opinion.
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AuricGoldfinger wrote: Thu Dec 02, 2021 7:36 pm
commadore wrote: Thu Dec 02, 2021 10:18 am
charlestonalum wrote: Thu Dec 02, 2021 5:49 am If I lived in Nashville I would be at every game - by the way SC lost on the road to a very mediocre Coastal Carolina last night in Conway: we can beat SC this year.
I think Ole Miss and Georgia are suspect at well.
And Missouri, who put up 14 in the first half tonight against Liberty.
I knew there was another team, but was drawing a brain fart when I wrote that.
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CoachH wrote: Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:05 pm Vanderbilt does very little to try to grow its fan base. They don’t even supply its fans with a radio affiliate that can be heard outside the Immediate Nashville area. Fans without computers or those who are traveling and trying to tune in on their car radio cannot hear the broadcast of Vanderbilt athletics at all. Football and basketball broadcast are all but impossible to listen to for those who live outside metro and The Vanderbilt baseball games can’t be heard at all. How can you expect Vanderbilt athletics fan base to grow when you can’t follow their teams?
The radio play by play announcer that replace Joe Fischer is atrocious. His unenthusiastic, boring play by play is some of the worst I have ever heard!
Cmon AD Vanderbilt fans deserve much better
I totally understand your frustration. I grew up listening to the radio broadcast and still do in my car to and from games. Hate to break it to you, though. As a tail end Gen Xer, I can say that radio affiliates are not necessarily where the University needs to be pumping their funds. Streaming/internet radio are the media of choice if VU is going to grow the fan base. And those ain’t cheap. Only so much money do go around. Mind you, I am NOT defending the athletic department as a whole. They do seem to make a number of questionable decisions, including their general marketing strategies at times. But honestly, local radio is probably not one of them.
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Bring Joe Fischer back....it's time!
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MemorialMagic wrote: Wed Dec 01, 2021 9:49 pm We’re 4-1. Seems like they’re doing what you ask, yet you say you haven’t missed it. At what point does the switch turn on for you?
Not to be a cynic, but we're 4-1, without having yet pulled an upset, despite still being a team picked to finish 13th in a 14 team conference.

I think we'll be a bit better than that, but it's not like we've been hosing Duke or UCLA at Memorial either...
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These guys are good on defense which leads to a lot of their offense. I love that style. They move the ball around. We're a decent team right now. If we get our two starters back healthy, we're gonna be a handful for any team. We're picked 13th based on convenience of ranking. We've proven nothing, but we're clearly different. Stack is a good dude. Stack is good coach. Let it be. We have enough pieces.
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I've been to every game at home. these guys play hard, and are worth supporting.
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i agree that less people go to sporting events period full stop. Culturally, sports don't have the same cashe that they did years ago, and this has been exacerbated by wall to wall TV coverage. I live out of town and can remember the days when VU was NEVER on TV, except during the NCAA's. Now with ESPN they are ALWAYS on.
Disappointing teams over the last several years have made this even worse. The grit and spirit of this year's team, i suspect, will bring more excitement and winning to the program. I bet the fans will follow and Memorial will once again comeback to life. Wonder, however, if it will ever come back to the level of when "we" were in school--as all of us remember those levels (regardless of the years) with gold colored glasses...
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There's one other factor that is now endemic to college basketball, maybe permanently. The old joke by Jerry Seinfeld that we're really just cheering for laundry has never been more true. The average fan has no relationship with many of the players now on the court, for Vanderbilt and many other teams. So many players are either new faces in new places or freshmen. Even some of the 2020-21 first-year players are strangers to fans who didn't see them in person or rarely on TV last year. It's not unlike being a Kentucky fan (shudder), but without the advance fame of a Paolo Banchero or a Chet Holmgren. And rightly or wrongly, there are many fans who are uncomfortable with this pace of change or the changes in college athletics themselves.

Think about this--there are only two scholarship players on this year's roster who were on the team two seasons ago. Only six were on the team last year.
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jpmando wrote: Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:10 pm The NBA, one-on-one ,look at me! bs that passes for the modern game of basketball is what has turned me away from Vandy BB. What we see now is really disappointing. Rare passing, no offensive sets, stunning lack of defense. Awful.
You obviously DON'T watch the NBA. Last night the Memphis Grizzlies "selfish one-on-one" offense had 41 assists and their "no-defense" on the other end of the court resulted in 16 steals and 9 blocked shots.

People who know VERY LITTLE about "the modern game of basketball" - well, know very little about it. The sports is actually better off without "fans" like that. It will be just fine without them.
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Played for years, watched for decades. I still see lots of missed open passes. Our guard throwing up bad shots after an ill-advised drive. Regularly giving up the baseline on defense. Intermittent rebounding effort. And that was in game earlier in the week. Oh yes I have watched.

Lots of Vandy teams, even of the Stallings era, would destroy this bunch.

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Teams Stallings lost to includes:

Monmouth
Tulane
Furman
Appy State
Siena
UIC
Murray
Richmond
Cleveland State
Indiana State
Davidson
Marist
MTSU
St.Louis
Rutgers

I'm not so certain about old Kevin. He often managed to do less with more. People forget that.
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jpmando wrote: Fri Dec 03, 2021 7:25 pm Played for years, watched for decades. I still see lots of missed open passes. Our guard throwing up bad shots after an ill-advised drive. Regularly giving up the baseline on defense. Intermittent rebounding effort. And that was in game earlier in the week. Oh yes I have watched.

Lots of Vandy teams, even of the Stallings era, would destroy this bunch.

Years ago a Supreme Court justice said of pornography: " I know it when I see it ". Res Ipsa Loquitur.
The thing may speak for itself, but I think you are greatly underestimating this team. Especially when our injured return.
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commadore wrote: Fri Dec 03, 2021 9:30 pm
jpmando wrote: Fri Dec 03, 2021 7:25 pm Played for years, watched for decades. I still see lots of missed open passes. Our guard throwing up bad shots after an ill-advised drive. Regularly giving up the baseline on defense. Intermittent rebounding effort. And that was in game earlier in the week. Oh yes I have watched.

Lots of Vandy teams, even of the Stallings era, would destroy this bunch.

Years ago a Supreme Court justice said of pornography: " I know it when I see it ". Res Ipsa Loquitur.
The thing may speak for itself, but I think you are greatly underestimating this team. Especially when our injured return.
And it's actually super cool to have Jerry Stackhouse as your coach and I love his swagger and mentality and Jordan Wright body and aggressiveness transformation looks like good coaching to me. Y'all gotta quit being so salty and break out your old Dreamcast and play some NBA2K
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jpmando wrote: Fri Dec 03, 2021 7:25 pm Regularly giving up the baseline on defense.
Times have changed…..defenses are designed to force the opponent to the baseline in order to set up a trap. In our day, that was a cardinal sin!
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bernstml19 wrote: Fri Dec 03, 2021 10:57 pm
commadore wrote: Fri Dec 03, 2021 9:30 pm
jpmando wrote: Fri Dec 03, 2021 7:25 pm Played for years, watched for decades. I still see lots of missed open passes. Our guard throwing up bad shots after an ill-advised drive. Regularly giving up the baseline on defense. Intermittent rebounding effort. And that was in game earlier in the week. Oh yes I have watched.

Lots of Vandy teams, even of the Stallings era, would destroy this bunch.

Years ago a Supreme Court justice said of pornography: " I know it when I see it ". Res Ipsa Loquitur.
The thing may speak for itself, but I think you are greatly underestimating this team. Especially when our injured return.
And it's actually super cool to have Jerry Stackhouse as your coach and I love his swagger and mentality and Jordan Wright body and aggressiveness transformation looks like good coaching to me. Y'all gotta quit being so salty and break out your old Dreamcast and play some NBA2K
Don't say "yall," I am supporting them. I am the one fussing about no one in the stands an no posts on the board.
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Count me as someone whose interest has waned. Part of it is probably due to our particular circumstance and part of it is a broader lack of interest in college basketball.

As far as Vandy, things under Stallings were getting stale. Briefly excited when we hired Drew as he had a solid track record and did lead us to the tourney that first year(dont need to re-hash if he deserved credit or not). But things turned south in a hurry and that last year was dreadful. Typically a new coach would have revived my interest but I was skeptical when he hired Stackhouse as I thought even if he was successful, he wouldn't stick around long as he has no connection to us and seemed like more of an NBA guy. And as others have mentioned above, I too was turned off by some of his comments regarding the fanbase who were upset by how the team was playing. Maybe he was just having a bad day, maybe that really is his worldview. Either way did nothing to make me want to pay more attention to the team. Putting all that aside, he does appear to be a solid coach who can get the best out of his players. But the wins haven't materialized so I haven't felt the urge to pay more attention. And while I never thought I would care if players jump to the NBA early or transfer on a whim, I do find myself less attached to the team if I don't know any of them. I can name more players on the Freije team that made the tourney 20 years go than I can this team. You watched the guys, you saw them get better over time, and it was easier to root for them.

May just be as simple as the team starting to consistently win and my interest will become as high as it ever was. But it won't be one year of winning that does it. And I still question how long Stack will stick around if he does have one or two years of success here.
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fldore wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:22 am Count me as someone whose interest has waned.

But the wins haven't materialized so I haven't felt the urge to pay more attention. And while I never thought I would care if players jump to the NBA early or transfer on a whim, I do find myself less attached to the team if I don't know any of them. I can name more players on the Freije team that made the tourney 20 years go than I can this team. You watched the guys, you saw them get better over time, and it was easier to root for them.

May just be as simple as the team starting to consistently win and my interest will become as high as it ever was. But it won't be one year of winning that does it.
Not trying to take you out of context, but removed some bits of your post to focus on my point:

There’s an inherent contradiction in the idea that you don’t know the players on the team due to many departures from the team, yet you admit to not following the team any more due in part to lack of wins to keep things interesting. You can’t hope to know the players and see their development if you aren’t watching the games. I’ve enjoyed seeing Jordan Wright and QMB develop. Stute, too, has made great progress from last year.

If you give the guys a chance and concern yourself less with wins/losses there is as much to love about individual players/effort on this team as there were on the Freiji team (fun fact: Freiji was in my VUcept group freshman year! But I digress…)

The roster instability the past few seasons is a combination of new coach/system and the general landscape of transfers in college basketball nowadays. Still, there are plenty of excellent young men to root for and support on this team, and they need it every bit as much as the Freiji team. One could easily argue that having more of a home court advantage with crowd support would lead to more wins, as I pretty much guarantee you that helped the ‘04 squad pull upsets here and there (adrenaline for VU players/nerves for opponents). Not to mention a large, supportive fan base may be a factor that tips the scales for a player who is 50/50 on transferring.

I don’t know. Just my two cents. It just seems like somewhat of a paradox to claim apathy for the program as a fan due to player continuity and lack of wins when fan support may, in fact, help with player continuity and generation of wins.
I’ll also add, at the risk of stirring the pot, that this is exactly what Stackhouse was upset about in that presser that was brought up. Fair weather fans. It’s likewise difficult to expect a coach not to bolt at the first sign of success if he has an opportunity to move to a program with more support. I understand that he’s paid to do the job of winning, recruitment, player retention, etc. All I’m saying is, fan support goes a long way for the coaches and players.
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I've never been 100% sold on Stack. I like who he is and the job he does developing talent. His recruiting is getting better, too. But, he is the worst basketball coach in the SEC. He runs little to no offensive system and I've seen nothing from him on the bench. His negative comments about the fans and his dismissal of the three point streak demonstrated he's not too circumspect. We needed and still need a solid college basketball coach. If we have another season barely in double digit wins, it's time to go coach shopping.
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