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The Last Temptation of Evangelicals

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The Last Temptation of Evangelicals

Postby vebiltdervan » Sat Apr 14, 2018 2:59 pm

Michael Gerson, in this month's Atlantic, examines what has gone wrong with evangelicals in the age of Trump.

"Loyalty to Trump has involved progressively more difficult, self-abasing demands. [But] there appears to be no limit to what some evangelical leaders will endure."

"Here is the uncomfortable reality: I do not believe that most evangelicals are racist. But every strong Trump supporter has decided that racism is not a moral disqualification in the president of the United States. And that is something more than a political compromise. It is a revelation of moral priorities."

That last sentence could not have been said as any milder form of rebuke, when applied to evangelicals, who profess to base their lives on moral priorities.

It's a longish read, but feel free to skip through the long middle portion, which is Gerson's dry history of the evangelical movement in America. The political meat is in the opening & closing pages.



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Re: The Last Temptation of Evangelicals

Postby ANCHORDOWN01 » Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:03 pm

It is all about politics. This isn't the first time many evangelicals have put party before faith.


In 2008, many evangelical leaders including Pat Robertson came out for Rudy Giuliani in the GOP presidential primaries. This of course is the same Giuliani who is pro-choice on abortion and LBGT friendly, not to mention had been divorced twice.

Ronald Reagan over Jimmy Carter.

Regardless about politics, who was probably the most Christian man to step foot in the White House in our lifetime? Jimmy Carter. A man who taught Sunday School. Married and faithful to the same women his entire life. And tries to live a life accoridng to his faith every single day and even in his 80s, spends his time building houses for Habit for Humanity

Reagan was a divorced and remarried man. Never went to church. A wife who consulted horoscopes and Psychics( a punishable offense in the Old Testment) Reagan leagalized abortion as Governor of California, a full two years before Roe vs Wade. He campaigned as pro-life in 1980 to win the evangelical vote but his political record was one of a pro-choice politican.

There is no other explanation as to why Jerry Falwell and the Moral Majority threw their weight behind Reagan in 1980 other than just pure conservative politics. It had nothing to do with faith otherwise, how could a "Christian" organization oppose Jimmy Carter?

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Re: The Last Temptation of Evangelicals

Postby vandy05 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:09 pm

ANCHORDOWN01 wrote:It is all about politics. This isn't the first time many evangelicals have put party before faith.


In 2008, many evangelical leaders including Pat Robertson came out for Rudy Giuliani in the GOP presidential primaries. This of course is the same Giuliani who is pro-choice on abortion and LBGT friendly, not to mention had been divorced twice.

Ronald Reagan over Jimmy Carter.

Regardless about politics, who was probably the most Christian man to step foot in the White House in our lifetime? Jimmy Carter. A man who taught Sunday School. Married and faithful to the same women his entire life. And tries to live a life accoridng to his faith every single day and even in his 80s, spends his time building houses for Habit for Humanity

Reagan was a divorced and remarried man. Never went to church. A wife who consulted horoscopes and Psychics( a punishable offense in the Old Testment) Reagan leagalized abortion as Governor of California, a full two years before Roe vs Wade. He campaigned as pro-life in 1980 to win the evangelical vote but his political record was one of a pro-choice politican.

There is no other explanation as to why Jerry Falwell and the Moral Majority threw their weight behind Reagan in 1980 other than just pure conservative politics. It had nothing to do with faith otherwise, how could a "Christian" organization oppose Jimmy Carter?

Bingo on all of the above.

Its just a shame. I wish folks didn't feel like they needed to abandon moral principles to back a political candidate.

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Re: The Last Temptation of Evangelicals

Postby 3rdFloorDyer » Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:49 pm

You must keep in mind the Presidential candidate is the leader of the party and Evangelicals look at what the party stands for. They will not vote for a "Christian" candidate if his/her party supports abortion, same sex marriage, unfettered immigration, etc. That's why Trump, though flawed, easily got their vote.

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Re: The Last Temptation of Evangelicals

Postby fldore » Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:03 pm

Why would any Christian vote for anyone in today's Left? The Left openly despises Christianity.
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Re: The Last Temptation of Evangelicals

Postby vebiltdervan » Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:02 pm

3rdFloorDyer wrote:You must keep in mind the Presidential candidate is the leader of the party and Evangelicals look at what the party stands for. They will not vote for a "Christian" candidate if his/her party supports abortion, same sex marriage, unfettered immigration, etc. That's why Trump, though flawed, easily got their vote.
"though flawed" doesn't begin to touch it.

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Re: The Last Temptation of Evangelicals

Postby vebiltdervan » Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:05 pm

fldore wrote:Why would any Christian vote for anyone in today's Left? The Left openly despises Christianity.
Simplify much? I challenge you to quote any liberal on this forum (aside from the various incarnations of bhoyal) in evidence of your blanket claim of our "despising Christianity". You can't.

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Re: The Last Temptation of Evangelicals

Postby ANCHORDOWN01 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:19 pm

Considering the majority of Catholics, Orthodox, Espicopal, Evangelical Lutheran, Seven Day Adventists, United Church of Christ and Presbyterian USA lean Democrat, his argument falls flat on its face

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... -leanings/


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fldore wrote:Why would any Christian vote for anyone in today's Left? The Left openly despises Christianity.
Simplify much? I challenge you to quote any liberal on this forum (aside from the various incarnations of bhoyal) in evidence of your blanket claim of our "despising Christianity". You can't.



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